Wednesday, June 30, 2010
Tuesday, June 29, 2010
11:00 am..........Parade (Steps off from Savannah Oaks, winds its' way past Friendship Park, and ends at the rec center)
5:30 pm............Family Games at the Rec Center including a water balloon toss, Limbo, watermelon eating contest, and more
7:00 pm............Live Music provided by "AudioDrive" (formerly known as "PULSE".)
Music will continue until midnight.
Submitted by Bonnie Marron
Submitted by Bonnie Marron
Monday, June 28, 2010
Sunday, June 27, 2010
The rewrites will once again be considered by the group of origin and the attorneys with consideration of revisions to their documents. I believe this will be the last effort to make them acceptable to a majority of the property owners. We were told there will now be a presentation of the current documents in comparison to the final rewrites so it is easier to observe the changes. I am assuming they will again be mailed to the property owners but I didn't hear that announced.
I truly hope the final result will be well written and acceptable to all. Those involved put a lot of hours into this and hopefully have put aside personal issues for the good of all, handling all the issues that make it currently unacceptable to so many. Again, if it is not easily understandable and definitive I will personally have a tough time giving it a yes vote. That is a personal opinion not necessarily reflecting the feelings of the Pride in general.
Saturday, June 26, 2010
Illinois is now considered by many financial experts the most likely state in the nation to default on its bonds thanks to runaway budget deficits and our state legislators' unwillingness to address the growing crisis.
Bond risk analysts at CMA recently assigned Illinois a Cumulative Probability of Default (CPD) of 24.63% - meaning there is a 1 in 4 risk that Illinois will default on its bonds.
The chart below illustrates Illinois's ranking among its closest default risk peers. The scale across the top is the CPD for these governments - the probability of them defaulting on their bonds within 5 years. This analysis indicates that Illinois is now considered about as risky an investment as Portugal, Dubai and Iraq.
CMA's default risk ranking as of 6/24/10:
Greece 68.39%; Venezuela 58.56%; Argentina 48.59% (not shown)
Pakistan 38.92%; Ukraine 35.71%; Dubai 29.03%; Iraq 28.84%; Portugal 24.82%; Illinois 24.63%; California 24.24%
No pleasure can be taken detailing the bleak finances of our state. But it illuminates the extreme optimism upon which incorporation hopes appear based. If professional risk analysts project a 25% chance the state will not perform on its general obligation bonds, it seems ill-advised to assume the state will faithfully live up to its other financial obligations. This seems particularly evident given the economic havoc already witnessed throughout our educational system. Additionally, many local governments in our area are struggling with financial instability caused in part by our state's failure to fulfill its responsibilities.
Thankfully, Candlewick Lake has adapted to living within its modest budget. As state government support for municipalities proves ever more undependable, perhaps we should take comfort in the reality that we live in a thoroughly enjoyable and self reliant community.
Fortune: More bets against cash-strapped States
Is Illinois the new California?
Friday, June 25, 2010
I thought about how easy it is to think of all the wonderful things we enjoy in our secure community and to post messages here promoting our lifestyle. We have the fun job, pointing out the good and correcting what we consider less than accurate information put forth by those wanting more government and unlimited access to our community assets.
We are not the ones that are getting all the articles in the local papers. That's all right, we understand that. When is the last time you have heard of a reporter interviewing someone and writing an article because his house isn't on fire? We simply want to protect what we feel is our home, keeping our way of life. Not real exciting to write about but one heck of a great goal.
Could you imagine anyone being in the position of trying to find things they feel are wrong here just so the issue can be used to say what a bad community this is in which to live in order to promote the cause of incorporation? That has to be one of the most depressing things ever! As I said, we have the easy job.
Anyone can find fault with about any situation. I don't agree with everything my sons do but I don't start disowning them because of it. I also do not agree with all actions of the board. In those cases I speak my piece at the board meetings or send an email to the appropriate parties. If their action stands, it stands. So be it. I do not try to destroy the entire association nor should others. I truly believe there is no board member who wants to ruin our community. They are doing what they feel is best for us all, whether I agree with them or not and I try to remember that when they act.
I hope some day we can all join as one in promoting what is good and fixing what is not so good. Can you imagine what could be accomplished if all our efforts were concentrated toward a common goal? Maybe some day.
O.K., off my soapbox for now. Ken Dillenburg
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
Issues like removal of sitting board members, partial public ownership of portions of lakefront lots, dedication of property to a competent authority, authority for additional easements along, under, beside, over, or on any portion of common areas, term limits for board members...........it goes on and on. This is just not some minor thing. You will be asked to vote on the rules under which you will be living. If you don't understand some of the new provisions (which I do not) I don't see how any voter can form an opinion regarding how to vote.
If in any way possible please attend and ask the questions to get a clear picture.
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
All donors, not amounts, are posted on a board in the Rec Center. This list will also be printed in the August edition of the CWL newsletter.
Should you have any questions please contact Bonnie Marron, Events Committee, at either (815) 765-2030 or email@example.com.
Submitted by Bonnie Marron
Monday, June 21, 2010
Catch and release was put into effect during spawning season to assure production for this year's hatch. Smart move by the lake committee. Just a F.Y.I.
From personal experience this year there are still huge numbers of bass in the lake. Crappies seem to be having a leaner year for the large ones, more than the normal population of perch, and a lot of big bluegills. Channel cat and bullhead seem to be rare and walleye seem about normal supply. Others wishing to have input of their experience so far this year with fishing please let me know.
Sunday, June 20, 2010
The current proposal before the BOD for hp limits and no wake times.
As a resident and avid lake user, I feel the need to voice my feelings on the current proposal before the BOD. I, as many others, chose Candlewick Lake as the place to retire and build my home, because of the lake and all other amenities.
I do not believe the current proposal, for unlimited hp at a 40 MPH limit with the no wake time of 7 AM, is in the best interest of all lake users and will only benefit a small handful of residents. There are residents with small water craft, kayaks, canoes, paddle boats, wind surfers, and small row boats that only have an electric motor, who enjoy the quiet time of the current no wake rules of before 10AM and after 7:30 PM.
It is a simple fact that you can not make the lake any bigger. The new proposal will allow any size motor to be run on the lake, yes there will be a 40 mph limit, trying to be enforced by public safety, but can you imagine the wake from a possible 200 hp inboard running at only half speed. I was out fishing the other day with a friend in his small boat, we were passed by a ski boat, and the skier fell, the boat made a sharp turn to get back to the skier and created a large wake in turning, at the same time, we were passed on the other side by a boat pulling a tube. When the two wakes converged on us, we took water over the back and side of the boat. I’m glad we were not in a canoe. The two boats had every right to do what they were doing, so there was nothing wrong with their actions, I’m only stating a case that happens more often than not with the current regulations.
When the new proposal was made at the last BOD meeting, a previous motion (which made more sense) for unlimited hp at NO WAKE was withdrawn. Could it be in the works, that at the next meeting, this proposal will be withdrawn for a new one. Unlimited hp, no speed limit at any time, and all water craft under 70 hp, including kayaks, canoes, paddle boats, sail boats, etc, MUST stay between the buoys and the shoreline at all times.
If one reads the proposal, with the wording used, it appears ( at least to me ) that the BOD member was not the sole author, but may have had input from the small group of residents this will benefit, and not any of the smaller watercraft owners.
It is time for us to be at the next BOD meeting and voice own opinion.
Submitted by Tom Pinkowski Sr. for posting
Friday, June 18, 2010
Incivility has insinuated itself into nearly every strata of our society. Information trumps knowledge, which in turn has trumped wisdom.
The abrupt reversal of fortunes in this the US and most other nations turns communities against themselves, as individuals grapple for scraps of the pie. Empty wallets and full bellies make it easy to divide and conquer.
What can inspire citizens to put aside differences and focus on common constructive goal? How do we do the right thing for the greater good, just because its the right thing to do?
I think that its important to hope and smile. People know the sound of a sincere smile on the phone. When we can express hope and smile at others, it improves the way the world perceives them, physiologically provoking a similar response.
So I think we'll get through these times all right no matter how much it hurts.
Saturday, June 19......Family Bingo at the outpost 6:30 p.m.
Sunday, June 20........Kevin O'connell kids fishing tournament Rec center 8:30 to 10:30 a.m. Come a little early to register. This is a great exciting event for the kids not to mention for the families cheering them on.
Sunday, June 20........Father's Day tournament golf at Savannah Oaks call 765-0111 for info.
On another subject, I noticed in one of the local papers Poplar Grove is starting a public garden for their residents. I believe even non-residents can participate for a fee. Good for them. This promotes community cooperation in a project where all benefit. I mentioned a couple months ago on this site I believe we should do the same using an area below the dam. Obviously with the dredging pond in the area it will not happen this year but I still love the idea and extra produce could aid the local food pantries. Anyone who has eaten tomatoes fresh from a garden knows there is nothing better. Something to keep in mind for the future.
Thursday, June 17, 2010
Why would I bring this up? I have indicated from the beginning of this incorporation movement cities are almost all in the same situation as Winnebago. The citizens are being forced to make choices whether they want services cut or increased taxes. We would almost certainly find ourselves in the same situation. The rosy projections will in my opinion turn out to be pie in the sky dreams when the reality of the cost to run a city actually sinks in. Look before you leap!
Now a prediction (more of a guess.) If Winnebago does not already have a city utility tax in place it will happen after the November election if the issue fails. It will be passed by the city council in the name of public safety for the "good of the people."
Wednesday, June 16, 2010
Our board of directors considered the petition requesting the board to send letters to the surrounding communities asking for permission to incorporate. After some discussion the vote was taken and the decision was made to deny the request from the pro-incorporation group. The board for the most part agreed they do not have legal standing to make the request since they represent the property owners as a group and other opposing petitions could be presented asking for a different vote on the subject if this passed. We of course agree and feel they made the correct decision. The pro-incorporation group said they would be pursuing other avenues available, not specifying those actions exactly. I must say both sides of this issue acted like ladies and gentlemen without disruption. Very nice to see with such an emotional issue.
Susan Russell was named employee of the quarter. Sue works the desk at the rec. center and has also been involved in the golf course, covering some necessary duties when a health issue arose with an employee of the course. A great employee that deserves the recognition.
The next meeting for discussion of the rewrites of the CC&Rs and by-laws was discussed briefly. Lots more ground to cover and there will be further revisions. Those not able to attend the next meeting regarding the rewrites are asked to submit questions and concerns by email or to the office for discussion at the 26th of June meeting. Hopefully there will be a larger crowd for the next meeting. An issue this large needs more than 31 people in attendance.
Owners of lakefront property in the dredging areas have been contacted and asked to remove their piers for the dredging work so they can do a complete job.
The vote was taken to retain current council for our association, commenting they have done well in all aspects of the duties we have presented to them.
There was a first reading of a new rule for lake horsepower, road and lake speed limits, no-wake hours, and many other aspects too extensive to cover here. The information should be in your next newsletter so be sure to check out the preliminary proposal.
As I say every month, this is simply a summary of the high points of the meeting made from notes and it is not an official record in any way. Your newsletter will provide the complete confirmed minutes.
Reported by Ken Dillenburg
Tuesday, June 15, 2010
We will have the informal report as usual regarding any board action and discussion tomorrow for those unable to attend.
Monday, June 14, 2010
Those leaders were elected by their constituents to do one thing, protect and enhance the state of the municipalities and their residents. They can not be blamed for taking the risk-reward ratio into consideration if asked for permission for Candlewick Lake to incorporate.
I am sure they are asking themselves at this time what benefits they would gain by having another city larger than their own on their borders. I would be hard pressed to think of benefits to them but they are better equipped to make that decision than I. They know their responsibility to their citizens is to weigh the possible risks to this proposal against what appear to be non-existent benefits. Who could blame them if the risk-reward ratio does not balance? If they are put in a position in which they must answer they have the final say and that is as it should be.
Sunday, June 13, 2010
The state projects a $13 billion budget deficit this year. According to the Financial Times, Illinois needs to borrow $8 billion over the next two years just to tread water. In the last two weeks two out of the three major bond rating agencies, Moody’s and Fitch, have lowered the state’s bond rating. A Fitch analyst comments: “Now they (Illinois) are relying on deficit borrowing…There doesn’t seem to be an end game”
The incorporation group’s latest end game depicts a new city functioning solely on state funding. Yet headline after depressing headline describes municipality after municipality hammered by short falls in state revenue. The state is currently 5 months and $500 million behind on payments to municipalities with the primary source of those payments, income tax receipts, declining 8% this year. In March, the governor requested a 30% cut in the allocation of that revenue to municipalities. Many municipalities including some of our neighbors have already budgeted for the cuts.
Expecting to survive on state funding during this historic budget crisis could be like hanging on a life raft expecting to be rescued by the Titanic. Can we reasonably believe the leaders of a new city born penniless amid a statewide financial calamity would wait patiently half the year for uncertain state payouts and not contemplate borrowing and taxing to raise revenue?
The first city council would be responsible for critical initial decisions regarding borrowing money, instituting taxes and creating ordinances. And who would that be? No one really knows.
The first mayor and aldermen would be selected by a judge. The judge would choose from “qualified” candidates who submitted petitions. Multiple slates of candidates with divergent agendas would be likely in Candlewick. Even the smaller communities of Caledonia and Garden Prairie had competing slates of candidates upon incorporation.
Essential governance decisions would be made by future city officials whose identities would be unknown to us in November. A vote to incorporate would be a vote for an unknown judge to choose unknown candidates to chart a course through unknown waters – launching an unneeded layer of government.
To trust that faceless politicians would exercise their authority wisely, constructively work with the association to preserve our community and not plunge CWL into a quagmire of municipal debt and increased taxes seems a monumental stretch of faith.
Far better in uncertain times to stick with our proven winners: a tight-fisted budget with healthy reserves; an efficient and dedicated staff; competent management; a beautiful, friendly, private community; a strong association supported by volunteerism; and an elected, hard working board of directors.
Saturday, June 12, 2010
Second, I have had several people tell me that reading the CC&R’s had too much legalese and gave them a headache after a few pages. I can understand this. What? You don’t understand “riparian rights” or “incidents appurtenant”. Well, either do I! So, I looked it up:
Riparian water rights is a system of allocating water among those who possess land about its source. It has its origins in English common law.
appurtenant adj. pertaining to something that attaches. In real property law this describes any right or restriction which goes with that property, such as an easement to gain access across the neighbor's parcel.
All in all an interesting two hours and there is another one yet to come! Let’s try to get more than 31 people at the next one!
The method was to go through the pages one at a time and take any concerns for each page individually. The panel consisted of several people involved in the rewrites as well as an attorney who has been acting as an adviser and producing the documents. Most questions were answered well and legitimate concerns were going to be addressed by re-visiting the sections in question for possible amendments to the proposal. One of the panel indicated these new documents were not being recommended by the group as a whole and there were still disagreements regarding content. Their honesty in this matter was refreshing and appreciated.
After about a two hour session the meeting was ended. There is still a lot of material to go over at the next meeting. It will be hard to form a firm opinion of this rewrite until the final draft is completed after both meetings are finished. In general the meeting was cordial with just a couple disruptions.
Friday, June 11, 2010
Some issues for discussion are dedication of assets, recall of elected board members, necessary quorums for action, and many other points that need in depth clarification. Even the method of voting regarding these changes needs discussion.
These are very important times for our association and we need to know without question what we are voting on. We know what rules we are currently using and changes are serious business. As I indicated before, it is like signing a contract if this is a yes vote. You would not sign a contract without understanding the legal consequences.
This is not to be taken lightly. Ken Dillenburg
Thursday, June 10, 2010
Wednesday, June 9, 2010
Tracy then turned the meeting over to Gary from Dakota Dredging to further explain the project and to answer any questions and concerns. Gary outlined the project and stated that the six-inch pipe that runs from the East and West Bays to the dam will be submerged and orange buoys will be attached to the pipe at 500 foot intervals making boaters aware of its location. He did state that should an air bubble occur in the pipe that the pipe will rise, but then sink again. He wants to make sure boaters are aware of this possibility. The pipe near where the dredge is working will float and there will be green and white buoys in these locations. The cable attached to the dredging equipment is dangerous, but will be submerged at night with lighted devices attached to indicate its location. There will be other equipment that will cross the mouth of each bay as it is being worked. Work will begin at the mouth and continue inward dredging the entire bay.
Residents were concerned about time requirements (which is about 18 – 20 days per bay); whether they should remove their boats and/or piers (it was suggested that piers be removed and that those interested in boating try to locate others residents who have lakefront property where they may tie up during this period); proximity of dredging to shoreline (the team will get as close to the shore as possible); the amount of silt to be removed (in some places the silt is 42 inches deep and the team will go down to the original lake bottom); and included many others. Gary did state that there will be a work boat, in addition to the dredge barge, that can assist boaters in entering and exiting the bays which are being cleared.
Tracy will write up a synopsis of the meeting for the upcoming newspaper and should anyone have any questions regarding the project they are to contact him either at the office by phone at (815)-765-2827 or e-mail firstname.lastname@example.org.
Submitted by Bonnie Marron
Festivities will be held on Saturday, July 3rd
CWL’s annual 4th of July fireworks display is one of the community’s highlights of the year and last year the residents generously began supplementing the budget the administration has earmarked for this event. In 2009 the community collected $3,000. So far this year we have collected $1,305.00 with our goal being to match or surpass last years total. If you are interested in donating to our annual spectacular forms are available at the Administration Office, Rec Center or in the June edition of the CWL newspaper. All donations need to be received by June 24th as the contract needs to be finalized at that time. Any questions, please contact Bonnie Marron at 815-765-2030 or email@example.com.
Submitted by Bonnie Marron
The Senior Health Expo I mentioned had a huge turnout. Almost every booth had nice give-aways plus there were door prize drawings. Health screenings were available free for blood pressure, blood sugar levels, and more. Even free massages. If you missed it this year be sure to come to the next one, normally an annual event held in June.
There will be a prescription disposal event held at Machesney Park Mall June 12 from nine to two. Remove your name and address from the prescription bottles before dropping them off. This is a much safer way for disposal than flushing them into our water supply or putting them in landfills. The event is being sponsored by "Keep America Beautiful."
Have a great Wednesday.......Ken Dillenburg
Tuesday, June 8, 2010
I believe also any of the long term residents of Caledonia and Timberlane will remember why they are now incorporated. This alone will give them pause when answering the request from CPAC in the affirmative. I have been a Candlewick resident for over twenty years and I remember it well. It was a time of great dissent here.
Monday, June 7, 2010
Poplar Grove has twice refused to act on the matter in the past when approached by those wanting to incorporate. Caledonia and Timberlane have also refused to act. It would appear now the group is asking our board, who has been elected to represent the property owners through their vote, to intervene in a matter being determined by elected officials of other communities.
We have from our beginning supported our board of directors as is indicated in our prior posts. Our association can not be run by petition. We could also collect signatures asking the board to send a letter asking the surrounding communities to refuse the request for permission but we will not because it is inappropriate.
This issue is tentatively scheduled to be discussed at the June 15 board meeting so if you are interested in the proceedings you are welcome to attend this open meeting at the rec center. Open discussion at 6:30 p.m. and the meeting starts formally at seven. The agenda is not yet finalized so changes could be made prior.
Saturday, June 5, 2010
Are the changes good? Some look very good and some I question. Frankly until we get the answers from the legal council present at the meetings I am not ready to decide. It is so important we all read these and ask any questions before making a decision on our votes.
We will attend the meeting and bring back some information for those that simply can not attend but it is impossible in a couple paragraphs to scratch the surface of all the questions that will be asked and answers given in what will almost certainly be a meeting lasting hours. Please, please, if in any way possible attend and get the full story for yourself. What you read here will be unverified information from notes taken as accurately as possible but statements can always be miss-understood.
I really hope to see you there. Ken Dillenburg
Friday, June 4, 2010
I attended this last year and they had a lot of booths, give aways, drawings for prizes (I won a metal model car), and a lot of information about available services for seniors plus some health screenings. A very well run event with a lot of good information.
As much as we hate to admit when we start being considered seniors, there are some advantages even with the aches and pains so we may as well take advantage of them. This is not a Candlewick Lake specific event so our readers from outside our association are also welcome.
SATURDAY, JUNE 12- 13, 2010 at the Out Post
Bring your own tent, camping supplies and drinks.
We will supply hot dogs and supplies for s’mores.
Saturday tent set up at 6:00 pm, activities start at 7:00 pm events end Sunday at 9:00 am.
We will have a hot dog roast and s’mores over the camp fire. Relays, scavenger hunt and ghosts stories will be a part of our night.
Come for some good fun quality time.
Call the Candlewick Lake Rec. Center for any further questions 815-765-1943
Thursday, June 3, 2010
Our name says it all!
If this is your first visit to our site you are probably wondering what we are all about. We are a group of property owners who love our secure community lifestyle and wish to stay a gated home owners association. We intend to point out the good things our association has to offer and clear up some of misconceptions from the continuing actions of those wishing to incorporate our community.
Your public safety force is an asset through the deterrent provided with their patrols as well as their action of screening those wishing to enter our community through our gates. The last thing troublemakers want is to be looked at when they enter if they have access. We know complete security is never possible anywhere but our team gives the extra layer of protection we appreciate.
We like the atmosphere of folks waving at each other and knowing the neighbors rather than the "leave me alone" attitude prevalent in so many cities today. Our kids can feel safe riding their bikes to the parks to play or "hang out" without harm or fear of predators grabbing them and quickly leaving the area undetected. We know our neighbors and their kids, who belongs here and who is a stranger.
Your community has many volunteers, not only because of the helping spirit of our residents but also because we own our parks, buildings, lake..........all our assets. The volunteers want our area kept in shape not only in appearance but also in operations and finance and they are willing to spend the time necessary to get the job done. We appreciate and salute them all.
Your lake is one of the best fisheries in the area as well as a wonderful resource for boating, skiing, or just sitting on the shore in one of our many parks and enjoying the sunset views. Your lake is continually being monitored for quality by volunteers and issues are addressed to assure action as they develop. This spring we are undertaking necessary dredging to remove silt buildup and help with algae issues along with the continuing algae treatments as needed. Volunteers have a can collection program to aid in fish stocking cost. Thank you again, volunteers.
There are too many activities to mention all of them but think of the fireworks display, fishing tournaments, mud volleyball, concerts in the park, family movie nights, festivals, golf, tennis, basketball, walking groups, the workout room, the Dockside grill, the Flames group, and many more. Remember, you own all our association assets. Opening up our community would be like buying a home then leaving it unlocked for all to use at will.
Your limited access community has the effect of keeping traffic down as well as making the activities we choose to keep private much more accessible to our residents. Overcrowding is not a problem as can be witnessed in so many of the parks and facilities in cities. Lesser traffic also means less deterioration of our roadways which already are in need of repair.
Those wishing to convert to a city government have been putting a lot of negatives out there regarding our community. We want to be those pointing out the great things we have here. We don't need to be negative when there is so much good to say.
We hope you come back often to see what we have to report. The Pride will keep you up on important developments as well as correct things we feel are being misreported elsewhere.
Thanks for stopping in. See you again soon!
Wednesday, June 2, 2010
We have had questions from some who miss-interpreted the article to mean the Pride is supporting the incorporation effort. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are sure Bob, the author, had no intention of making it appear as such but as in many situations, meanings can be considered differently. We want to make it very, very clear we feel it would be disastrous for Candlewick to incorporate and we intend to continue our quest to make our case.
Thank you so much to those who asked the question so we could clear up any doubt.
Their solution is to ask each homeowner on the lake to put their home numbers somewhere easily visible on the frontage so the patrol can call in addresses as needed. Such a simple solution and so logical. I put mine up yesterday and we all should for our own good. An excellent idea. Thank you to our lake patrol for a great idea and your vigilance.
Tuesday, June 1, 2010
Here is the solution:
Let's put the seniors in jail, and the criminals in a nursing home.
This way the seniors would have showers, hobbies, and walks, they'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc. and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.
They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly if they fell, or needed assistance.
Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.
A guard would check on them every 20 minutes, and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.
They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.
They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counseling, pool, and education, simple clothing, shoes, slippers, P. J.'s and legal aid would be free on request.
Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard with gardens.
Each senior could have a computer and T V and daily phone calls.
There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct strictly adhered to.
The "criminals" would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised.
Lights off at 8pm and showers once a week.
Live in a tiny room, and pay $5000.00 per month and have no hope of ever getting out.
Justice for all. ;?)